**Seeking Your Thoughts on Home-Based Vehicle Repair Shops**

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Morning Fellow Dune Ratz,

My crew and I were talking the other day about the recent increase in home based "mechanics".

I wanted to open up a discussion about a topic that seems to be gaining traction lately: home-based vehicle repair shops. With many mechanics operating out of their garages and often without the necessary permits or insurance, I’m curious to hear your thoughts and experiences regarding this trend.

Do any of you currently use home-based mechanics for your vehicle repairs? If so, what influenced your decision? Was it the price point, convenience, or perhaps a recommendation from a friend?

Additionally, I’d love to get your perspectives on some important issues: How do you feel about the lack of insurance and liability coverage that these home shops often have? Does it concern you that they may not be contributing taxes, potentially putting legitimate businesses at a disadvantage?

Finally, when choosing a repair shop, do you prioritize the legitimacy and reliability of the business, or is the cost the only factor that matters to you?

I’m looking forward to hearing your thoughts and hopefully sparking a constructive conversation about the impact of these home-based operations on our industry.

Some Examples:


**Zoning Violations and Unfair Competition**

Many home mechanics run their businesses in residential areas without the necessary permits or adherence to zoning regulations. This not only poses safety and liability concerns but also creates an uneven playing field. Legitimate businesses invest in their facilities, comply with local laws, and pay necessary taxes. In contrast, these home-based operations often skirt these responsibilities, allowing them to offer lower prices that undercut established shops.

**Tax Evasion and Insurance Gaps**

One of the most concerning aspects is the lack of tax contributions from these home mechanics. By not registering their businesses, they avoid paying sales tax and business taxes, which places a heavier burden on those of us who do comply with regulations. Moreover, many lack proper insurance, which puts customers at risk. If something goes wrong, the liability falls solely on the consumer, unlike in regulated shops where proper protections are in place.

**Market Disruption**

The presence of these unregulated mechanics is disrupting the market. Customers attracted by lower prices may not realize they are sacrificing quality and safety. This can lead to a cycle of poor repairs and dissatisfaction, further driving customers away from legitimate businesses that prioritize quality and service. Over time, this could lead to a devaluation of the repair industry as a whole, where quality workmanship is overshadowed by unsustainable pricing models.

**Conclusion**

While I respect the entrepreneurial spirit, we need to address the implications of allowing home-based mechanics to operate without oversight. It is essential for our industry to advocate for fair competition, uphold safety standards, and ensure that all businesses contribute to the community through taxes and compliance. I invite everyone to share their thoughts and experiences on this issue so we can work together to find solutions that benefit the entire off-road vehicle repair industry.

Thank you for your time!
 
I have an ex Toyota Mechanic that I use from his Home shop now instead of an actual shop.

I was severely fucked over by a shop that I trusted for many years, that had continual issues staffing with good mechanics. Long story short, a bad fuel pump install kept me from having the ability to use my truck for almost 4 months. After the install, the truck wouldn't take gas... took it back and the shop owners "Mechanic" jammed the anti siphon valve open and had the damn nerve to tell me, "Be careful if you roll it, gas will leak out!"

WTF?! Again... WTF?!

Contacted the shop owner and demanded a completely new Fuel tank. In the interim, I had massive evap leaks and issues getting the new tank in, truck would not pass smog. The HOME mechanic did smoke tests, and corrected the problem over a few weeks as it had turned into a trouble shooting job at that point.

The Home mechanic made my truck safe, made it pass smog and put it back to factory specs. The shop owner told me to fuck off when I asked for compensation or more help.

I have had the Home mechanic do a lot of jobs on my Tundra, 4Runner and Civic... with nothing but GREAT results, at a fraction of the price anyone else would charge. I don't feel one bit of remorse taking business from those of you that own real shops. Not all of you have it figured out and I'm not going to bleed piles of $100 bills to find someone that does.

What you are complaining about is actually caused by people in your industry not being honest or skilled enough to retain good business, plain and simple. Sounds like you guys need to keep yourselves in check, more than the consumer.
 
Just make it mobile and charge more to do it at their location. I honestly would pay more for someone to come to me rather than the inconvenience of driving somewhere and waiting for it or dropping it off.
 
In THIS Sport, this thread can get personal real fast... 🍿


You have to use who you trust to do the job. Some jobs need to be done by a big business with all that you listed, some jobs don't need all that you listed.
 
Look, costs are stupid for auto repair today.... again $200/hr for mechanic stuff? WTF? People need to save $$$ today wherever they can....just like the little guys selling fruit and ice cream in the hispanic areas.... step 1 is look the other way, step 2 is to decriminalize it.... To each their own I guess. You are NEVER going to stop it and the "Justice" system in CA is never going to punish people for no taxes or no license. Most of the people I know use mobile RV guys, i'm sure 75% of them don't have insurance or licenses....
 
In THIS Sport, this thread can get personal real fast... 🍿


You have to use who you trust to do the job. Some jobs need to be done by a big business with all that you listed, some jobs don't need all that you listed.
I don't mid the "getting personal" part of it. I fight that battle on a regular basis. I guess I just don't understand the thought process of the consumer at times. Myself, if I needed a job done on my Ford F350 and I show up to a shop that is a home, I would leave as soon as I saw it was a home. I believe if someone is good at their craft, they would take the "plunge" and invest in doing it right as a legit business.
 
Look, costs are stupid for auto repair today.... again $200/hr for mechanic stuff? WTF? People need to save $$$ today wherever they can....just like the little guys selling fruit and ice cream in the hispanic areas.... step 1 is look the other way, step 2 is to decriminalize it.... To each their own I guess. You are NEVER going to stop it and the "Justice" system in CA is never going to punish people for no taxes or no license. Most of the people I know use mobile RV guys, i'm sure 75% of them don't have insurance or licenses....
And when chit goes wrong what's the process to get it rectified? If your RV or toy burn to the ground after having electrical fixed? Tire falls off driving down the road? Do you just eat the repair/replacement costs?
 
Instead of going after the shade tree mechanic and making it sound like they are ruining the repair industry, go after the scumbags that impose retarded rules and regulations on your industry.

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Instead of going after the shade tree mechanic and making it sound like they are ruining the repair industry, go after the scumbags that impose retarded rules and regulations on your industry.
I and a couple of other legit shops have had discussions about this. One of them half-heartedly tried this approach with the county. It didn't gain any traction. I contemplated this route and was worried about the repercussions. At the same time, when the other shop turned in some of the home shops, I was blamed for it. The Facebook beating I took was chitty. But since there was already some fallout due to the false accusations, I am considering just doing it myself. Not in an anonymous manner as had been done by the other shop. Maybe it would gain some traction with the county that way?
 
Most of your "complaints" aren't real.

Zoning? Maybe...
Unfair? LOL
Taxes? They have to pay sales tax when they buy parts, and who says they don't claim the income?
Market disruption? Not even putting a dent in it.


And, as the consumer, they are aware of the situation with regards to liabilities.
 
Tough situation for all of us. Im a dealer for several engine manufacturers. I have a brick and motor location. Employees, taxes, insurance, workers comp, healthcare and 401K, plus all the vehicles etc. The independent guys are rolling around in a vehicle with no shop working from home and charging the same if not higher rates than us. I scratch my head at this. If I raise my rates we get the calls that say we are too expensive but the same caller will use the independent guy at similar rates......
All I can do to combat this is focus on the newest engines with the most technical aspects. This as well as warranty coverage/work will keep us busy and the independent guys out of these boats. Keep the customer happy, answer the phone, call them back and do what you say you will do for the price agreed on.
 
Most of your "complaints" aren't real.

Zoning? Maybe...
Unfair? LOL
Taxes? They have to pay sales tax when they buy parts, and who says they don't claim the income?
Market disruption? Not even putting a dent in it.


And, as the consumer, they are aware of the situation with regards to liabilities.
Zoning, most areas specifically state that Vehicle Repair businesses are strictly prohibited at a home residence. As far as "unfair", we have different perspectives to this as I have worked hard for 30+ years to own "legit/legal" businesses. Taxes, sure most have paid sales tax on the original purchase price. But the sales tax on the price they sell to a "customer" is probably not paid. And as far as income tax, I'm sure the cash transactions are not claimed as income. Market disruption, depends on the area. In smaller towns such as my area, it is indeed a huge disruption.
 
Just to reiterate a few things here...

- Zoning
- Neighbors complaining
- Liability (being your home, what are the increased insurance requirements? How do you protect your home from any business liability or lawsuits?)

For me, I'd go down to the city/county and ask. "Can I do this?" "What are the requirements?"

In today's world, I'd get a lawyer and open up an LLC and and make sure I protect my personal assets like my home and property. I know there are others, even on here, that run business out of their home and have for years. I'm not here to crush anyone's spirit on making money, it's just that we live in a shitty society where even the best of friends, family and relationships turn sour and people then try to find financial gain. With that said, I've often thought about it myself but would not open up a public "shop" here at my house. I have found and used some really great people for things to save money and support a guy's hustle. I have also gotten screwed on some with no means of recourse.

Lastly, running a business out of your home is still just that...a business. I don't give my time away for free. I think that can be missed when you look at all the positives of working from home but it's still a business. Make sure you pay yourself what's fair for your time, skill, expertise, tools, materials, etc... That' can be easily overlooked and end up not being profitable.
 
Tough situation for all of us. Im a dealer for several engine manufacturers. I have a brick and motor location. Employees, taxes, insurance, workers comp, healthcare and 401K, plus all the vehicles etc. The independent guys are rolling around in a vehicle with no shop working from home and charging the same if not higher rates than us. I scratch my head at this. If I raise my rates we get the calls that say we are too expensive but the same caller will use the independent guy at similar rates......
All I can do to combat this is focus on the newest engines with the most technical aspects. This as well as warranty coverage/work will keep us busy and the independent guys out of these boats. Keep the customer happy, answer the phone, call them back and do what you say you will do for the price agreed on.
Solid response.
 
I don't mid the "getting personal" part of it. I fight that battle on a regular basis. I guess I just don't understand the thought process of the consumer at times. Myself, if I needed a job done on my Ford F350 and I show up to a shop that is a home, I would leave as soon as I saw it was a home. I believe if someone is good at their craft, they would take the "plunge" and invest in doing it right as a legit business.
This is some seriously twisted logic. Some of the BEST work comes out of a Garage.

I've been Installing Car Audio components for 34 years now. 30 years out of my Garage, 4 professionally for Tweeter. I do a better job out of my Garage than 99% of the Audio SHOPS out there. This has been confirmed by dozens of people. I've done jobs as high level as Jerry Buss' son Joey... $30,000 audio job.

Detailing. I've been detailing since the late 80's. Once again... I do a better job than 99% of those with an actual business. I literally got a text from a friend/customer that said he didn't have to do a thing to his BMW for FOUR YEARS after I did my 2 step Correction and Ceramic Coating. Haven't seen the car since 2109...

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I have been criticized by someone that WAS a Professional Detailer (Greengo) and told I'm "just a really good Car Washer", yet I have ALL of the same or better equipment than a Pro (3", 5", 6" Long throw Polishers, real and synthetic clay, iron remover, Bins FULL of pads so each panel gets a new pad when Polishing, Synthetic sealants, Ceramic Coatings, proper brushes, drying towels, proper microfiber towels... all of it). Yet... I need a BUILDING to do a better job?

Nope.
 
This is some seriously twisted logic. Some of the BEST work comes out of a Garage.

I've been Installing Car Audio components for 34 years now. 30 years out of my Garage, 4 professionally for Tweeter. I do a better job out of my Garage than 99% of the Audio SHOPS out there. This has been confirmed by dozens of people. I've done jobs as high level as Jerry Buss' son Joey... $30,000 audio job.

Detailing. I've been detailing since the late 80's. Once again... I do a better job than 99% of those with an actual business. I literally got a text from a friend/customer that said he didn't have to do a thing to his BMW for FOUR YEARS after I did my 2 step Correction and Ceramic Coating. Haven't seen the car since 2109...

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I have been criticized by someone that WAS a Professional Detailer (Greengo) and told I'm "just a really good Car Washer", yet I have ALL of the same or better equipment than a Pro (3", 5", 6" Long throw Polishers, real and synthetic clay, iron remover, Bins FULL of pads so each panel gets a new pad when Polishing, Synthetic sealants, Ceramic Coatings, proper brushes, drying towels, proper microfiber towels... all of it). Yet... I need a BUILDING to do a better job?

Nope.
I am not saying that a job can't be completed properly out of a skilled person's home shop/garage. I know plenty of people who are very skilled at their trade and if they chose to do it out of their home, the outcome of the job would probably be great. But the majority of the people I know would not choose to do the job out of their house. I'm sure your awesome at audio and detailing things. That BMW looks great. But why out of your home? Costs, convenience, logistics? I guess I just have a different logic with this type of stuff.
 
I am not saying that a job can't be completed properly out of a skilled person's home shop/garage. I know plenty of people who are very skilled at their trade and if they chose to do it out of their home, the outcome of the job would probably be great. But the majority of the people I know would not choose to do the job out of their house. I'm sure your awesome at audio and detailing things. That BMW looks great. But why out of your home? Costs, convenience, logistics? I guess I just have a different logic with this type of stuff.
Thanks for the compliments.

I have a full time job running a Quality Control department for the worlds largest Semi Conductor/Laser company. My main focus is on that, as has been my past 25 years of building Quality systems for Medical Device companies. Detailing and Car Audio are hobbies that I get a lot of requests for and would rather take care of those that ask, than have them get ripped off by someone that does a lesser job.

I enjoy the work, don't consider it as actual "work" and really enjoy seeing the end result, overall. One of my biggest sources of happiness I get from these projects is people looking to sell their vehicles, bring them to me and then decide to keep them after I finish the job (Tim Singer from the Shop that used to be Ride Now in Vista and Temecula Motorsports is one of them). I have a handful of those customers and those scenarios prove that I am good at what I do. Donations for my time are significantly less if the vehicle is left at my house for a number of days for me to work on at my discretion. Often times, money is handed back, depending on their flexibility.
 
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Myself, if I needed a job done on my Ford F350 and I show up to a shop that is a home, I would leave as soon as I saw it was a home.
I, and probably a majority, wouldn't drop off the F-350 at some Joe Smo's home garage we found on FB. I would bet we would be taking it to someone we know well, or a good friends recommendation for someone that has the reputation of being the "go to guy" for quality work, and a great price, due to them not having the overhead.
I would rather pay cash to someone, and let them decide if they want to "report it". Just like always tipping in cash.
Because Eff the .gov.
 
I hate unlicensed contractors with a vengeance and know precisely how you feel. In the end, they're not your kind of customers, though.
 
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